I had posted this long and sprawling comment on two threads about the coaching situation, but with so many new "Mike Brown to the gallows" style threads and posts, I figured I'd make my own and throw out the gauntlet. You don't have to agree with me, but before you create the 77th FIRE MB thread, come on here and refute my point, give a good and original idea for my you want Brown gone. Because the "he doesn't know offense" doesn't hold up right now since we're averaging near 100 PPG this year. We know his reputation with his defense. And I think the sub excuse has some validity, but since we've had the Delonte situation, the new guys and the injuries, it's a tough sell that we should fire MB because his rotations aren't at the pinnacle 12 games into the year.

So here's my synopsis, take a stab at calmly debating me and we'll see if anyone has any real good and original, as well as thought out and level-headed, ideas for why to oust MB:

This guy raises good points, but I think he may have it twisted. Now I'm going to say somethign is probably goign to surprise and anger some fans, but hear me out and read through my thought:

I agree we have problems on offense against good teams, though the fact that we have averaged such a high total might just mean that we are beginning to alleviate some of last year's issues. But anyway...though I think Mike Brown and his substiutions are to blame in part, I truly believe the biggest culprit may just be Lebron himself.

...Ok, you still with me? Why Lebron, you may ask? Well, look at the rest of the superstars in the NBA- there really aren't any like Lebron. Sure, you have great overall scorers like Kobe, great drivers like the elite tier point guards and great inside presenses like, dare I say it, Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol. YOu also have amazing passers like Nash and Kidd and others.

But Lebron's problem, in my eyes, is that he is so strong in so many categories and tries to do too much and though it works great in the regular season and especially against lesser talented teams, it sometimes ends up gumming up the Cavs production against the best squads in the NBA.

Look at Kobe or Wade- though they are certainly multi-talented, they tend to stick to some key areas. For Kobe, it's getting the ball off the pass or beating someone off the dribble. He rarely passes and really doesn't work a lot with the ball in his hands unless it's the end of the game. As for Wade, he is a great passer and can shoot, but his bread and butter is the drive and slash. Whether he goes for the score with a run to the hoop or a step-back J or passes to an open man, he pretty much sticks to that unless he's trying to win a game or bring his team back with some long-range shooting.

Now, let's look at Lebron. He's a great driver and often just drives to the hole and rips apart his defender. But sometimes, he wants to be a jump shooter and/or a 3-point shooter, so he relegates himself to doing that. Other times, he tries to post up and get fouls or quickly score inside. While he's deciding on what kind of offensive player he wants to be for the night, he also wants to be the PG, distributing the ball to everyone else. See the problem this can cause when everything flows from him and he tries to do so many different things on offense? It's his greatest strength that oftentimes, when he doesn't realize he's doing too much, can be our team's weakness against smart teams and smarter coaches/

This, by no means, is an attempt to downgrade Lebron or say that I do not want him on the Cavs because that's crazy- he's amazing. But what it does say is that I think he controls the offense on the floor far more than some people believe. Sure, Mike Brown creates the line-ups and picks the subs and he's to blame for that, but I really believe it's Lebron who decides the offensive shape and tempo because he is such an all-encompassing player and because Mike Brown doesn't want to make him mad. Also, I think it's gotten worse since we lost Kuester because I think he often was able to wrangle Lebron and draw up some schemes and get him to play in it.

So, to sum up a very long though I've been holding for awhile, while I think Mike Brown is certainly not blameless, I think we should realize he can only do so much when he's on the sidelines. I think Lebron should realize that trying to everything won't work against the top teams and instead of just involving his teammates with quick, open passes, he should allow the offense to not always travel through him and also not try to do five thins at once offensively. Also, I really think a quick fix may be another legitimate scorer. And I don't even neccesarily mean in a trade, though that could help. I mean that our guys need to realize they are talented and capable of scoring without the Lebron and keep that thought on a regular basis. Though you sometimes see it from Williams or even West, they seem to lose confidence in the shadow of the king. I don't know, maybe we need a player like Iverson, though not Iverson, who is a bit bull-headed and confident and doesn't want to be told how and when he can score. I think that's why guys like Flip Murray and even, though he lacked top tier talent, McGinnis back in the day flourished with Lebron- because they wanted to "get theirs". I think too many of our guys just want to "win a ring for the king" as opposed to "winning a ring for me". Now I'm not saying our player should be selfish, but not stepping up when it counts, like last night in Washington and excpecting Lebron to do the work won't get it done in the long run and Lebron needs to not always be in that position.

So yeah, as a very round-a-bout way to say it, Mike Brown has his flaws, but you can't just stack all the blame on him (or Ferry for that matter) because that's just ignorant.

Nov 19, 2009 -- 4:55PM, lbjames_23 wrote:

ok well i don't really want him gone, i just want Brown to become the assistant coach! I think we should then replace the head coach spot with somebody who knows how to run an offense really well. Simply because i think mike brown is one-dimensional (defense).

Honestly, I've toyed with the idea in my head of not as much delegating Brown to an assistant role as much as bringing in an offensive minded coach and having them split responsiblity. May be difficult, but you never know, it could work well.

But for the sake of debate, we have been scoring almost 100 PPG this season even though West has been on and off and we've had some injuries and some cold shooting nights. What do you think Mike Brown is personally doing to deter us from better offensive play and do you think with a different coach, we'd average like 110 PPG or more?

Nov 19, 2009 -- 5:00PM, Here Before the Bandwagon wrote:

Nov 19, 2009 -- 4:55PM, lbjames_23 wrote:

ok well i don't really want him gone, i just want Brown to become the assistant coach! I think we should then replace the head coach spot with somebody who knows how to run an offense really well. Simply because i think mike brown is one-dimensional (defense).

Honestly, I've toyed with the idea in my head of not as much delegating Brown to an assistant role as much as bringing in an offensive minded coach and having them split responsiblity. May be difficult, but you never know, it could work well.

But for the sake of debate, we have been scoring almost 100 PPG this season even though West has been on and off and we've had some injuries and some cold shooting nights. What do you think Mike Brown is personally doing to deter us from better offensive play and do you think with a different coach, we'd average like 110 PPG or more?

well assuming we get an Offensive mined coach(that could preferably make good in-game adjustments as well) i think we would score more. I think with a more offensive minded coach the cavs would find other ways to play offense other than:

1. pick and rolls

2. driving in and dishing it out to a shooter.

I think the two bullets above are the only thing mike brown is able to execute on offense and it just isn't enough to put this team over the top.

I think u have 2 ride this season out wth mike genius,i dnt like his coaching style but we have 2 go wth him and hope ferry gets him a scorer,but i think the pressure is on him 2 win it all this year or he will be gone scorer or no scorer.

Why dont we get a new offensive coordinator?

Mike Brown is all about trust, he'd have to eat his own words and accept the new coordinator...