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Role of the Mo Will signing in West negotiations
4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 06:54AM #1
GreenBee (Witness)
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Early last month West's agent, Aaron Goodwin, reported that Chris Grant, negotiating for Ferry, was low-balling Delonte. The Cavs reportedly said, "Take the deal we've offered or we'll go an alternate route." The Cavs offer was slightly more than what Gibson signed, but 4 years with a 5th year option and slightly less than the full MLE of $5.6 million.The Cavs said they wanted to keep it that way because of having several players within the same playing level. Goodwin's retort was that Delonte was a Starting PG & deserved more money. Goodwin has also been quoted as saying, "If they go get someone else, the hand is set."


 



Clearly now, "the hand is set." Ferry, by making what is becoming one of his signature CTJ (come to jesus) moves, DID go get someone else. We now have Mo who, interestingly enough, signed a 4 year contract with us with a 5th year player option. And he's being paid between 8-9 mill per season with the background to stand behind it.


 


Ferry adamantly maintains he wants to retain West on the team and hopes to resolve the issue. And we've got a clear starter being paid at a higher level and someone who has been earmarked for coming off the bench at less than what was offered West. So, in your opinion,  where does this leave Delonte?


 


Has Ferry effectively removed Goodwin's negotating leverage? If so, is it a possibility that we could be looking at yet another case of disgruntled player syndrome? Or do you think West will see it as a move based purely in business, sign for the QO, and hope for greener pastures after this season? Is the Cavs previous offer to Delonte still a possibility given that Mr.Gilbert has openly stated he will spend to get the job done? Or has Goodwin manged to place his client in a permanent belly-up postion, one where he has no choice but to say, "Could'a, should'a, would'a?' Has he gone from starting PG to trade-bait now?


 


Thoughts? 

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4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 07:27AM #2
justin
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Well reguardless of how it ends up we are most certainly in control at this point. I mentioned in another thread that at this point Delonte would want a trade if theres Mo, Boobie and him.  So the way I see it either Boobie or Delonte are expendable along with a package of Wally or Av or maybe even Big Ben for a better answer at C or PF.  I would like to keep Delonte as hes a better passing and pushing the tempo type PG than Boobie and his defense is superior. It doesent seem like we can not have our best year if we stay healthy and Mo and whoever are next move turns out to be play there part when they get here.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 08:16AM #3
GreenBee (Witness)
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... the way I see it either Boobie or Delonte are expendable along with a package of Wally or AV or maybe even Big Ben for a better answer at C or PF.  I would like to keep Delonte as hes a better passing and pushing the tempo type PG than Boobie and his defense is superior...



 


I agree that either Boobie or Delonte can consider themselves expendable now, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that label is most likey applied to Gibson.


 


As I said before, Ferry continues to assert that he wants Delonte here and likes him very much--that even though he went out and got another PG, no matter what he wants him on the Cavs. He makes no such claim regarding Gibson & Delonte's name is always mentioned before his in the same sentence, if at all.


 


Ferry has also clearly named  who he feels can get the job done offensively. He lists:  LeBron, Sasha (groan...), Wally, Mo, Delonte, Gibson, and Hickson. He also believes Mo, West, and Gibson can be effective, but that defensive assignments come first. West is the better defender and, if he can become more consistent, seems to be the better choice of the two. Gibson can shoot when he gets in a groove, but we've got others to go to for big shots.


 


Given that Ferry wants to add bigs, and that the Cavs are good with taking on payroll in light of upcoming expirings, I'm inclined to believe we'll see Gibson on the block and West in Wine & Gold. And not playing for the QO.


 


I could very easily be wrong, but that's how I'm reading between the lines now.

We can't all be heroes because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.    --Will Rogers
4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 08:32AM #4
No Offense
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This definitely removes all negotiating power Goodwin and West had.  If Williams is healthy, there is no way that West will be the starter.  I don't know why Goodwin was using the "Delonte is a starter, so pay him like one" argument since he was a starter due to circumstances, not talent. 


 


I like West just as much as the next guy, but he is not a guy you want running the point on a playoff team.  He is a very nice backup, which I hope is the role he takes.  Part of me kind of hopes he takes the QO since we would have way too much money spent on three point guards, two of which are clearly backup players.


 


I definitely look to see one of those two traded.  I have a soft spot in my heart for Boobie since he is such a likeable guy and came out of nowhere by becoming a second round nobody to rookie/sophomore game MVP.  So the idea of trading him kind of bothers me, but at the same time he should not be labelled "untouchable."

Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski.
4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 08:49AM #5
justin
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Wasnt Boobie a late first rounder. I suppose i could look that up but im lazy. I hope your right though G bean.  Delonte is definately the guy who could be our go to back up for some time.  If he did take the QO like No offense hopes that wouldnt be so bad either I suppose but Im hoping for the 3 to 4 year deal.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 08:56AM #6
No Offense
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Boobie was a 2nd round pick.  He was the 42nd over all. 


 


Going into that season, I was excited to see Shannon Brown play and assumed Boobie wouldn't amount to anything.  It didn't take me long to realize that I was wrong with that one.

Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski.
4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 08:56AM #7
Hat Trick (#10)
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I think that if Delonte ends up signing the QO than he will be gone in a trade by the deadline.


 


BUT if he signs a long term deal, than I either see us starting him at the SG spot, or sadly trading Boobie Gibson. I too don't want to see Boobie go, but he is the more valuable trading peice, seeing as he can shoot the lights out, plus we signed him for dirt cheap.

4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 09:11AM #8
GreenBee (Witness)
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...if he [Delonte] signs a long term deal, than I either see us starting him at the SG spot, or sadly trading Boobie Gibson...he is the more valuable trading peice, seeing as he can shoot the lights out, plus we signed him for dirt cheap...



 


I absolutely agree. We've got no shortage of shooting now (in theory at least) and that's on the acquire list for many teams. And he's got a great contract in terms of a GM's eyes and the bottom line. But, again, his defense pales in comparison to West's. We all know defense win championships, and that's certainly something the Celts proved this past season.


 


Too, regarding the argument that West was only a starter because of circumstances--


That's very true, but it's equally true that Boobie was NOT a starter in those same circumstances even though he had adequate opportunity to earn the spot. That carries it's own weight in the ultimate decision making between the two.

We can't all be heroes because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.    --Will Rogers
4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 09:14AM #9
GreenBee (Witness)
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^^


This jumped back to the last page when I made an edit.

We can't all be heroes because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.    --Will Rogers
4 months ago  ::  Aug 14, 2008 - 10:21AM #10
LeJuiceman (Witness)
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I agree with what everyone's saying here.  One of the two must go.  I'd rather keep Boobie personally.  I guess you can teach someone to play better defense, but you have to WANT to do it.  I'm not sure which of the two (Boobie or Delonte) wants it more, especially since they're going to be backing up Mo for the next few years at least.  I honestly like both guys, and hope that maybe they can all see some time on the court with Delonte playing the 2 against smaller guards.  I can't wait to see how this plays out.  It's almost like the Browns situation at QB.  Proven results vs. young unproven talent.  Which way to go?


 


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