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1 year ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 8:41AM
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ESTIMATED Cavs team salaries - updated 10/6/2009: > 2008/09: 1. Wallace: 14,500,000 2. James: 14,410,581 3. Szczerbiak: 13,775,000 4. Ilgauskas: 10,841,615 5. Varejao: 5,784,480 6. M. Williams: 8,353,000 7. Pavlovic: 4,500,000 8. Gibson: 3,700,000 9. Hickson: 1,329,480 10. Tarence Kinsey: 797,581 11. West: 3,850,000 12. Jackson: 450,000 13. Lorenzen Wright: 797,581 14.Joe Smith: 1,200,000 15. J. Williams: 354,866 Total: 83,508,952 > Salary Cap (actual): 58,680,000 Luxury Tax Limit (actual): 71,150,000 MLE (actual): 5,585,000 BAE (actual): 1,910,000 > > 2009/10 1. Shaq: 21,000,000 2. LeBron: 15,779,913 3. Ilgauskas: 11,541,074 4. Gibson: 4,088,500 5. JJ Hickson: 1,429,200 6. Mo Williams: 8,860,000 7. Delonte West: 4,254,250 8. Anderson Varejao: 6.300,000 (estimated) 9. Anthony Parker: 2,644,230 (estimated) 10. Jamario Moon: 2,750,000 (estimated) 11. Darnell Jackson: 736,420 (not guaranteed) 12. Danny Green: 457,588 (estimated) 13. Jawad Williams: 736,420 (not fully guaranteed) 14. Leon Powe: 855,189 (estimated) 15. > Total: 78,088,554 > Salary Cap (actual): 57,700,000 Luxury Tax Limit (actual): 69,920,000 MLE (actual): 5,854,000 BAE (actual): 1,990,000 > > 2010/11 1. LeBron: 15,120,000 (estimated cap hold - 30% of the salary cap) 2. Gibson: 4,015,334 3. Delonte West: 4,500,000 (guaranteed for only 500,000 if waived) 4. JJ Hickson: 1,528,920 (team option) 5. Darnell Jackson: 854,389 (Not guaranteed) 6. Mo Williams: 9,300,000 7. Anderson Varejao: 7,000,000 (estimated) 8. Anthony Parker: 2,855,770 (estimated) 9. Jamario Moon: 2,970,000 (estimated) 10. Danny Green: 762,195 (estimated) 11. 2010 first round pick: 1,020,960 (pick #30) 12. Powe: 915,852 (team option) 13. ???? 14. ???? 15. ???? Total: 50,043,420
> Salary Cap (estimated): 50,400,000 Luxury Tax Limit (estimated): 63,000,000 MLE (estimated): 5,500,000 BAE (actual): 2,080,000>>
9-4 (57-25) Defense wins championships
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1 year ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 4:32PM
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ShaqFan(formally known as Grizz an Z-Man)
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Ok Golfer I got a question for you to think about. I here alot of people maybe not on these boards but on the old ones that want Zach Randoloph. I am not one of those people I think if we do make a deal make sure that players contract ends by the 2010 season so we can make a major play to get someone like Wade, Amare or Bosh. What do you think?
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1 year ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 8:13PM
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Ok Golfer I got a question for you to think about. I here alot of people maybe not on these boards but on the old ones that want Zach Randoloph. I am not one of those people I think if we do make a deal make sure that players contract ends by the 2010 season so we can make a major play to get someone like Wade, Amare or Bosh. What do you think?
Zach's contract runs until 2011 - if we traded one of our expiring contracts (Wally or Ben) for him so that we had him for the next 3 years, would that be "enough" for us to win a ring? Probably not - so that would not be a "good" move. * Say we traded Wally for Vince Carter and Ben for Zach Randolph - would that be "enough" to win a ring? That would be an interesting team: PG: Mo Williams SG: Vince Carter SF: LeBron PF: Zach Randolph C: Ilgauskas * That being said, I agree that we should not trade for any players with contracts that extend beyond summer 2010.
9-4 (57-25) Defense wins championships
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1 year ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 9:48PM
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Can't we sign a new player in 2010 before re-signing LeBron. Because his contract wouldn't count against our team salary at that point, and we could still re-sign him to a maximum contract. I think this works so we don't have to worry about LeBron's salary in 2010/2011, but I might be wrong. Correct me if I am.
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1 year ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 10:47PM
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Can't we sign a new player in 2010 before re-signing LeBron. Because his contract wouldn't count against our team salary at that point, and we could still re-sign him to a maximum contract. I think this works so we don't have to worry about LeBron's salary in 2010/2011, but I might be wrong. Correct me if I am.
* His salary would not count, but his cap hold would: link +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 14. Exactly what is included when computing total team salaries? When determining team salaries (for example, to determine whether a team is over the salary cap), the following are included:
- Salaries of all active and inactive players,
including likely bonuses.
- Salaries
paid or payable to waived players, minus any set-off amounts (see question number 55).
- Any salary still being paid to retired players (see question
number 53).
- Amounts paid or expected to be paid in conjunction with certain
grievances.
- Salaries in contracts that have been agreed to but not yet
executed (i.e., verbal agreements or agreements pending physicals). Note: During the July Moratorium (see question number 90), teams may not enter into verbal or written agreements. Therefore any agreements that are stuck during the moratorium are still characterized as negotiations, and do not count as team salary.
- A percentage of the previous salary of unrenounced free agents
(see question number 30) - (CAP HOLD)
- Salaries offered in offer sheets (see question number 36).
- The "scale" amount for the team's unsigned first-round draft
pick(s) (see question number 43). This amount begins applying to the team's team salary immediately upon selection in the draft. However, this is not the same as his trade value (see question number 71).
- A roster charge if the team has fewer than 12 players (players
under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player below 12. The roster charge only applies during the offseason.
- The combined amount of any Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Disabled Player
(see question number 19) or Traded Player exceptions (see question number 69) available to the team (see question number 20), if the team is under the salary cap. (Teams may renounce these exceptions, in which case they no longer are included in team salary.)
If a team completes a mid-season trade, then the entire season salaries of any players they acquire are included in their team salary, and the entire season salaries of any players they trade away are removed from their books. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ LeBron's cap hold would be his maximum possible salary - about $20 million - and that cap hold would be included in our team salary (for purposes of determining our cap space).
9-4 (57-25) Defense wins championships
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1 year ago ::
Aug 27, 2008 - 11:16PM
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That being said, I agree that we should not trade for any players with contracts that extend beyond summer 2010.
I see where you are coming from Golfer. However, if the right deal comes around you HAVE to use your cap flexibility to get that superstar player. I know Zach Randolph is not that player. I'm not sold on Vince Carter and I'm not sure he's worth it either. However, if a deal or deals came up where you could land 2 superstar/allstar players before the summer of '10, then you have to do it. My fear is Cleveland NEVER has been a free agent destination in any sport. Lebron certainly helps, but to put all your eggs in 1 basket that we will convince high profile superstar players to choose Cleveland over both New York teams and other high profile destinations is risky. If you can control your own destiny and trade for the guys under contract you want/need then in my opinion you'll never be left out in the cold. By waiting for others, if you fail to land THE top guy or one of the 2/3 top free agents you may have lost Lebron too. That would be absolutely devistating. My philosophy is to keep your options open until you find the right deal/deals if it's there you pull the trigger. If it's not, you do your best to lure a free agent superstar. -Greg
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1 year ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 11:08AM
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I think that someone will eventually be lured to Cleveland by LeBron being here. There have been so many reports about teams not wanting to trade with us because they are scared of how good we will be if LeBron ever has help. With this being the case, I think our best option to pick up a star or almost-start player is in free agency. Now Cleveland might not be a huge city or NBA market, but lets be honest. There has to be someone that wants a ring bad enough that they would come to Cleveland. The city isn't that bad, and it's not like these guys are ever home anyways. They are home when they are in town and for a little while during the offseason. Otherwise, they are on the road for games or taking a family vacation.
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1 year ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 3:37PM
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I think that someone will eventually be lured to Cleveland by LeBron being here. There have been so many reports about teams not wanting to trade with us because they are scared of how good we will be if LeBron ever has help. With this being the case, I think our best option to pick up a star or almost-start player is in free agency. Now Cleveland might not be a huge city or NBA market, but lets be honest. There has to be someone that wants a ring bad enough that they would come to Cleveland. The city isn't that bad, and it's not like these guys are ever home anyways. They are home when they are in town and for a little while during the offseason. Otherwise, they are on the road for games or taking a family vacation.
I'm not as optimistic about that. To date, there is no evidence that Lebron James alone can pull in that superstar free agent. When we had the cap room, Ray Allen and Michael Redd chose to stay home for more years and more money so we 'settled' for Larry Hughes. In subsequent years, we have made MLE offers to free agents to almost no avail. Time will tell what direction Danny Ferry will go, however, in my opinion the greatest likelyhood of success is to be proactive getting the superstar via trade rather than hoping a superstar chooses us. -Greg
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1 year ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 11:45PM
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just tell people to check out hoopshype to get the nba salaries
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1 year ago ::
Aug 29, 2008 - 5:07AM
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Golfer2 makes some great points. Very educated answers. Would you agree that more teams had success in the trade market then the free agent market and is it not a bigger risk waiting then it is responding now. Look at Boston and you said your self that Vince and Zack could = championship and I agree. People tend to look at Zack the person and not Zack the player. His efficiency per minute is among the top in the league but I don't talk about him for fear of being ridiculed. It would be difficult for me to wait 2 more years knowing the right thing is to wait. Just to find out it did not work that way.
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