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Why so high on Kinsey
5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 09:06AM #1
QuadrupleDouble
Posts: 252

This is geared more toward posters from the old CMB because they seem to have been discussing it more over there and with its' impending closing today, I expect to see a lot of those posters on here.  I want to know why everyone is so high on this kid.


Some posters have been saying that he's going to beat out Wally and Sasha for the starting role somehow.


Now I don't know much about him, but there is probably a reason he was available at the league minimum.  We might see if Ferry made one of his brilliant cheap signings like Flip Murray and Devin Brown, but right now I don't expect anything but pine-time from this kid.


If you're expecting something else from him, help me understand why.

5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 09:14AM #2
No Offense
Posts: 1926

I don't know if it has much to do with Kinsey.  Personally, I think that people are high on him just because we are very low on Pavs and Wally.


 


 


 


Kinsey did show some real promise two years ago.  Look at his box scores from the later part of the 2006-2007 season:


 


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/419 … ?year=2006


 


Also, on March 27th of that season, he guarded Kobe Bryant at the Staples Center and put an end to his 50 point game streak.  He guarded the Laker's best player who was unstoppable at the time and managed to put up 24 that night.


 


I don't think he is a starter in this league, but he can defend, can score and has lateral speed (which is something all of our other wing players lack).  I think he is a very solid pickup and could potentially win the starting job.  I definitely do not think that Kinsey starting on the Cavs is a very good thing, but neither is Sasha or Wally.  At the very least, he can defend.


 


Also, considering we now have Mo Williams and LeBron out on the wing, we really just need a shooting guard who is a good defender and can keep the defense honest.  A Michael Finley type player would be perfect.  If the Cavs do somehow manage to get a stud of a shooting guard, I think the best thing to do is go the Spurs route and bring him off the bench.  There simply are not enough shots to go around for three prolific scoring wing players on this team.

Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski.
5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 09:18AM #3
QuadrupleDouble
Posts: 252

I've seen Pavs defend some of the best players in the game.  He also seems to be able to score better than Kinsey.


 


So why is Kinsey better than Pavs?

5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 09:22AM #4
No Offense
Posts: 1926

I am not saying Kinsey is better than Pavs.  That is a big question mark.  I think that we should at least entertain the idea that Kinsey may be better than Pavs right now.  Pavs has improved his defense significantly, but there is one thing Kinsey has that Sasha does not that no amount of effort can change:  Speed.  No matter how hard Sasha tries, he will not have the speed that Tarence Kinsey has.  I know Mike Brown is a defensive specialist, but that is one thing that you cannot teach to anybody.



The bottom line is that Sasha phoned it in last year.  He took a big step backwards from two years ago, which was by no means a perfect year for a player starting on a finals team.  I am not of the belief that Kinsey will be better than Sasha and start over him, but I think that there will be an open competition for the starting 2 job and that Kinsey could potentially win that job on merit alone.  It's not like we are talking about Manu Ginobli here, it's Sasha Pavlovic.  His starting job is not locked up by any means.


 


Also, two years ago Kinsey put up 7.7 points on 45.7% shooting.  Sasha put up 7.4 points on 36.2% last year.


 


Despite Sasha's decline last year, he is still a much better shooter than Kinsey.  I consider Sasha a good shooter and last year his 29% from beyond the arc was a fluke. 


 


If you want shooting, Pavs is your guy.  If you want better defense, speed and more proficient scoring, Kinsey is your guy.  Neither one is a lock for the starting job, and that does not bode well for the Cavs guard depth chart.

Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski.
5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 09:47AM #5
TheBest
Posts: 157

The sad thing about all this is that we have a guy making $13 million next season and  a guy who held the Cavs hostage last off-season for more money and they both haven't distinguished themselves from a guy like Kinsey. Sad. Truth is, Kinsey could as well be better than Wally and Pavs,  heck Devin Brown was better than Pavs and Wally. I'm hoping both Sasha and Wally put a lot of work in this summer and come back better this season, especially Sasha.

5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 09:53AM #6
The Source (Admin6)
Posts: 232

Kinsey is an interesting pick up. I do agree that he showed promise two years ago, it just seems he lost his niche when Memphis hired a new coach. That's what led him to playing overseas. The key for him is defense if he wants to see minutes.

5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 10:10AM #7
Josh
Posts: 1

He's young, very quick and a good defender........why not be high on him??   No way in heII he starts though, I think that it's wally's for the taking at this moment

5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 10:17AM #8
QuadrupleDouble
Posts: 252

Last year was a complete fluke for Sasha.  He held out, came in out of shape, and was repeatedly injured.  If he repeats that, I'll want him off the team as much as everyone else.


Everyone forgets that Pavs is our second most athletic player besides Lebron.


I hope he comes in and distinguishes himself from the crowd, I just can't see a guy that other teams let go overseas coming in and making as dramatic an impact as some are expecting.  I hope he is that missing piece, but you don't get missing pieces at the league minimum unless they are veterans going ring hunting.

5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 10:20AM #9
No Offense
Posts: 1926

Sasha is on very thin ice right now.  If he doesn't get back to 2007 form (which isn't all that good in itself), he will not have a job in the NBA at this time next year.  If he isn't scoring 9 PPG on good shooting, he will be traded by the deadline and cut. 


 


Even though Sasha has a job in the NBA and he didn't just come from Europe, he is in a similar boat as Kinsey.  Kinsey is a borderline NBA player  since he just came back from Turkey and has to prove himself.  Sasha is a borderline NBA player since if he doesn't improve this year, he will be hoping to get a gig in Europe.


 


Hopefully it is a moot point and he at least starts shooting better.  I am not expecting his turnovers to go down, his dribbling to improve and his shots to not get blocked as often as they do.  All I want from him is for his shot to start dropping again and he will have a job on this team.  It is as simple as that.

Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski.
5 months ago  ::  Aug 27, 2008 - 10:20AM #10
McFly
Posts: 310

I see Kinsey as insurance for Sasha more than anything.  If Sasha is in his '07-'08 funk this season, then they will probably give Kinsey a shot.  It is also pretty evident that we need our SG to be a defensive stopper with Mo or Gibson out there.  I could see Ferry thinking he may have the next Bruce Bowen?  Bowen was a bit of a journeyman before he landed in San Antonio.

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