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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 9:46AM
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Lets not forget the great value a NY or Memphis 1st rounder would be. A player drafted high in '09 (BJ Mullins?) would be ready as soon as Hickson, so if a frontline-depleted NY is interested, that would be another piece. Not that we need a more complicated deal! Hickson would be good for a future-building team but less so for a 2yr window team. A potentially lousy (and high-drafting) team could justify losing their #1 if a summer-league highlighter was obtained. Just something to keep things moving forward.... As always I must remind that Memphis has Javaris Crittenton, a big 2G-covering PG that could give Gibson 2G minutes, and back up Mo with size and all-the-way penetration. Memphis has like 4,5 PGs. He has about a $3mil hit for 10/11 & 11/12. Much is made of DLee's anticipated salary demands, but can't we just do the QO and have him for the 2 big years? Would AV block a trade to NY? It seems like he'd like that. So: Memphis gets Zac for Javaris; NY gets the cavpackage for Zac&DLee; Cle gets DLee & J-Crit for something reasonable from West/pavs/zrbiak/Snow...if we have to include AV or Ben we still need another big. (NY doesn't need a 2G) If Darko ($15mil/2yrs) or malikRose ($8mil/1yr) then another mid/small goes. Lee and Crittenton in the same trade? Love it! Set for the finals!
If NY gets rid of Randolph It would seem unlikly that Lee would be in any deal! I think out only way of getting Lee is: Trade: AV/West/$2.9 million Cash For: Curry/Lee
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 10:24AM
#32
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good idea i'm all for aquiring curry. the team really needs a guy you can give the ball in the low post and who puts it in the basket consistently...curry could be that guy (54% fg% for his career). if ferry somehow can include lee in that deal it would be great. we would definitely be the strongest team in the east.
poor men wanna be rich, rich men wanna be kings, and a king ain't satisfied till he rules everything.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 12:59PM
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Go read Wages of Wins. There you will see how Eddy Curry's offense is far outweighed by the fact that he does absolutely nothing else while he's on the floor. It sounds like a good idea, but when you look at the numbers and his overall production, you realize that he actually gives up more points than he scores, making him a deteriment to the team.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 1:21PM
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well im trying to think memphis has some cap space, and randolph would make an impact there if he stays under control, i know we could trade wally for randolph, straight up, and we dont need another PG right now from mempis, which is wat they would like too trade, so hmm... they do need another back-up SG, so pavs may be a good option and av as well, i dont see wally going anywhere and west would go to new york, so my proposal is this Cleveland gets: PF Warrick (memphis) PF Lee (knicks) (C Curry (knicks)) Knicks get: SG Buckner (memphis) PG Lowry (memphis) PG West (byc) (cleveland) PF/C Milicic (memphis) (SF Wally ( cleveland)) Memphis gets: PF Randolph (knicks) PF/C AV (cleveland) SG/SF Pavs (cleveland) we may be able to get a second round pick/chandler/filler from the knicks, trading three for two may not look good, but we drop a lot of money in this deal, about 6 mil, so we wont be over the luxery tax and we still have our MLE and bi-annal to use up, this solves our PF problems, neither warrick or lee can play center, so we can pick up jerome james from new york, who is an old expiring big man, we can't really get much from memphis, since we have to wait awhile cause most of the players they have left they got in a trade on draft day, we also may be able to add in wally and a pick to get curry, i think that actually could be avaible if we add in like a first/second round pick, d'antoni i dont think will like curry anyways, and he likes to have a small fast team, but i honestly think that full trade would help all three teams out, we would be very solid with the big man, memphis gets a very good player in randolph and good players in AV and Pavs, knicks would take this deal, pretty much as a tryout for the PG postion, and getting rid of 2 big contracts and getting 2 contracts that are over 3 years (west and milicic) they need another big man after the trade, but that could be worked out since after 2010 they have only four players on the books and im sure one of them will be gone by then (jefferies) and cleveland does this, since they would cut off nearly 10 mil off the books for this season making them under the luxary tax, plus getting a back-up center and 2 more solid big men, very nice rotation there, but we are way thin at SG, so i guess we need one or pick up an SF and move lebron over, i would like to pick up chandler and make him our starting SF, while lebron is at SG
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 2:01PM
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hmm who would be our starting sg after this trade? boobie can't start because the backcourt of boobie and mo is too small. not sure if kinsey is good enough to start
poor men wanna be rich, rich men wanna be kings, and a king ain't satisfied till he rules everything.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 2:16PM
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hmm who would be our starting sg after this trade? boobie can't start because the backcourt of boobie and mo is too small. not sure if kinsey is good enough to start
i actually figured out some of the kinks in the deal, lebron would be our starting SG and Warrick would be our starting SF, that would give us a lot of presence inside, Warrick is a very athletic player, wat people call a tweener, hes neither a SF or a PF, hes better at playing PF but his athleticism can allow him to play SF, so that would fill in all spots, plus we would sign a bonzi wells or romel beck who is a combo player, that can play both positions, thus also making it fair for everyone since having warrick, lee, wallace, hickson, jackson as our PFs, there isnt any playing time, there, lebron will only need to play SG and SF, kinsey/gibson or wells/beck, will be off the bench as our SG, while lebron moves to SF, we would have wallace and lee playing most of the minutes at PF, with Z and curry spliting time at C, so actually this may all work out very well, we would be big to start like MB wants it, mo will and gibson will play PG, and with three spots open, we sign wells/beck plus we sign a third string PG, like green or maybe quinn (if miami doesnt want him back) they are there just for insurance reasons, plus we have one more spot, for whoever they feel they need, wells is sometimes not the best liked player, but he will learn his place on this team and at least do wat d.brown did last year, id see beck doing the same thing (plus he wouldnt cost anythin more than our bi-annal at 1.9 mil), gibson has a habit of getting hurt, so it would be nice to have a solid 3rd string PG, i dont like green but it may be him, since im sure hes invited to the team in pre-season
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 2:16PM
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I don't think Ferry is willing to trade his three most valuable assets (Szczerbiak, West and Varejao) for David Lee, Hakim Warrick and Eddy Curry. Especially when he could have Curry and Lee for Szczerbiak alone. Heck, he could probably get Curry and Lee for Ben Wallace and a fruit basket. As hard as it is for me to believe, the theft of Mo Williams (assuming he plays as well as I expect) really put the Cavs in the driver's seat when it comes to moving Szczerbiak and Varejao. Now instead of needing to get the perfect piece, Ferry can let the season play out a little bit, then make the best move, even if it's only a good (not great) move. Meaning he can decide to use Szczerbiak's deal to trade for a Brad Miller or Jamal Crawford type, rather than needing to get a Pau Gasol-level player. (Obviously a deal for a Gasol-type would be fantastic, but if it's not there, Wally's deal can still be used to make a solid addition at the deadline.)
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 2:28PM
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I don't think Ferry is willing to trade his three most valuable assets (Szczerbiak, West and Varejao) for David Lee, Hakim Warrick and Eddy Curry. Especially when he could have Curry and Lee for Szczerbiak alone. Heck, he could probably get Curry and Lee for Ben Wallace and a fruit basket. As hard as it is for me to believe, the theft of Mo Williams (assuming he plays as well as I expect) really put the Cavs in the driver's seat when it comes to moving Szczerbiak and Varejao. Now instead of needing to get the perfect piece, Ferry can let the season play out a little bit, then make the best move, even if it's only a good (not great) move. Meaning he can decide to use Szczerbiak's deal to trade for a Brad Miller or Jamal Crawford type, rather than needing to get a Pau Gasol-level player. (Obviously a deal for a Gasol-type would be fantastic, but if it's not there, Wally's deal can still be used to make a solid addition at the deadline.)
this trade actually will cut down the total cost of the team, so it actually saves the owner money, and at the same time, can always upgrade this team, we have beck and green to fill in spots and they would take the league minimum, and having warrick, lebron, lee and curry on the floor with mo williams actually is a nice line-up, we dont have enough outside shooting my opinion with that but all of them can rebound, and score on the inside, plus warrick is an expiring contract and hes 26, curry has two years left, this actually also makes every position but SG very deep, and with lebron moving to SG, we dont need anyone else really, we have lee and wallace and Z and curry spliting time, which would save them for the playoffs, no one will be tired, then lebron will want his minutes, so if we go down we are solid in every position other than SG, plus kinsey has shown in the past to be a solid player, he could prove it again if lebron goes down
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 3:21PM
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we dont have enough outside shooting my opinion with that but all of them can rebound, and score on the inside..........so if we go down we are solid in every position other than SG, plus kinsey has shown in the past to be a solid player, he could prove it again if lebron goes down
Yeah I also think that we would be lacking too much in the outside shooting, but having a bunch of players who all work down low isn't necessarily a good thing. It's easier for defenses to guard a team when they can shrink the floor rather than worrying about 3pt threats. That would also mean that at any given time, about 4/5 of our on court line-up would be trying to work inside the paint, and that creates a big jam. A lot of the reason why Ferry brought in Wally I'm sure was so that Lebron could have a reliable 3pt threat to kick the ball out to out of double/triple teams. That game plan really spreads the floor and creates space for Lebron to work, but if we got all these big guys and tweeners, then we would be pretty predictable, more so than we have been in the last few years. Kinsey, from what I've heard, isn't a good 3pt shooter either so he would also not be able to fill that gap from beyond the arc.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 3:27PM
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I don't think Ferry is willing to trade his three most valuable assets (Szczerbiak, West and Varejao) for David Lee, Hakim Warrick and Eddy Curry. Especially when he could have Curry and Lee for Szczerbiak alone. Heck, he could probably get Curry and Lee for Ben Wallace and a fruit basket. As hard as it is for me to believe, the theft of Mo Williams (assuming he plays as well as I expect) really put the Cavs in the driver's seat when it comes to moving Szczerbiak and Varejao. Now instead of needing to get the perfect piece, Ferry can let the season play out a little bit, then make the best move, even if it's only a good (not great) move. Meaning he can decide to use Szczerbiak's deal to trade for a Brad Miller or Jamal Crawford type, rather than needing to get a Pau Gasol-level player. (Obviously a deal for a Gasol-type would be fantastic, but if it's not there, Wally's deal can still be used to make a solid addition at the deadline.)
I agree. That trade kind of makes it seem like we are looking too far into the future of the team when we are really about a player (or maybe nothing) away from a championship run. I wouldn't want to break everything up if we are as close as we are now. I think another small trade for frontcourt depth and possibly a better SG would put us on top.
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