he has the potential to be a very good role player. the problem is he is not willing to take the job. Mayvbe he still thinks he should be the number 1option. One should always know his capabilities and limitations.

 

I think the problem with some people about Sasha is when "potential" comes up, some may actually assume that means star potential.

 

Sasha is what Sasha does, Gumpify that.

 

Sasha  "should" know his role by now. I'm not sure he knew it last year. He was pressing the issue most of the time and it came off as......well we all saw what it came out as. IMO, Sashas potential is a "good"  defensive player, decent outside shot, and on occasion provide an offensive burst against weaker teams. That is a good role for him, IF he can live up to it. Whether he can or not is yet to be seen and most think it will not happen as he regressed from the previous year.

 

Having LeBron in the starting lineup beside you does cover up alot of someone elses game. I am hoping that he does live up to some of his potential this year. Lets face it, we don't have a "great" SG, but we do have a "nice" SG by committee. By trade deadline Pavs could be a sweetener in a deal to grab a "star" caliber SG if he shows he can produce. If he is kept out of any deal that brings someone in, then he provides a nice bench role player for us. There's too much to correct at one time.

 

My opinion, SG should be on the back burner right now. Our frontcourt is in need of another C. Not a cleanup minute C, but one that can contribute up to 25 minutes a night and be productive. PF is okay with Ben, AV, JJ, Darnell. Z needs limited to 20 minutes a night during the reg. season so he can contribute big minutes in the playoffs.

 

 

Amen, why won't ferry get a back-up already, he doesn't have to be freaking elton brand, just a solid dude.

there's no reason to keep sasha.  he stinks, plain and simple.  i don't know why people keep saying he has big potential...he can't handle the ball - every time he tries to dribble, he pulls off some clumsy move and loses the ball.  the PG, SG, and SF should all be able to handle the ball well.  you can't survive in this league with clumsy players who are turnover-prone.

delonte west can't even handle the ball and we started him at point

Comparing Delonte West's lack of ball handling skills to Pavs lack is like comparing a bumped knee to the Carpet Bombing of Dresden in World War II...  That is to say, there is really no comparison.  Delonte is capable of bringing the ball up the court without turning it over.  He can drive and dish a little.... without turning it over.

Delonte turned the ball over 1.92 times in 25.1 minutes last season with 3.8 apg... His stats after he was traded to Cleveland were better than that.  1.96 times in 31 minutes with 4.5 apg.  That's more than a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio, which is pretty good.  Sasha, on the other hand, turned the ball over 1.08 times in 23.3 minutes with 1.6 apg.  That's pretty close to a 1:1 ratio, but we'll give him a 1.5:1 just to be nice.

When you consider that Delonte handled the ball way, way, way more than Sasha... and in much higher pressure situations, the difference is startling.  You may argue that since Delonte was the PG, he should have had more apg, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there.  While Delonte handled the ball a lot, he was rarely put in actual playmaking situations.  That was left to Lebron.  He was doing a lot of dirty work handling the ball without a lot of the payoff.

It's also amazing that Sasha was able to touch the ball enough to average 1.08 turnovers per game...  Given that if I were an NBA quality basketball player, I would go out of my way to not pass Sasha the ball... ever.  He is terrible.

I would... (man, I can't believe I'm saying this)... I would rather have Drew Gooden on this team for the rest of his life than Sasha.  I would feel different if he actually still tried ever or if he could still shoot the ball, but that doesn't seem to be the case.  Yet again, I must repeat that he is terrible.

why do people keep trying to pass off the stats Sasha put up of an injury plagued year as what's expected for Sasha over his career?

 

 

I really am done trying to argue with people who don't understand what an injury is and what missing camp can do to a person.

 

 

if you really think Sasha is as bad as he showed last year, playing on a bad wheel and playing despite missing training camp, I'm going to suggest that you watch more, read more, and post less

Okay, throwing out all of last season...

In Pavs' best season (06-07)... He had 1.52 TO in 22.9 minutes with 1.6 assists.  That's worse than the stats I posted above.  I would also like to point out that in that season, he only averaged 2.4 RPG (CAREER HIGH... AWESOME).  That is absolutely TERRIBLE for a guy who is 6-7, 239 lbs and playing at the two guard spot.  He is very big for a shooting guard, and he should have dominated whoever he played against at that spot.  In fact, Mike Brown even said so this past season when he pulled down eight whole rebounds against Toronto.  He wanted him to focus more on his rebounding since he was getting out rebounded by guys who were way smaller than him.

Additionally, in his triumphant 06-07 season, Pavs got somewhere around 40% of his shots blocked or stolen within a few feet of the basket.  That is ridiculous.  I'm sure you're going to ask for a link to this, so here you go: (http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/).  It's somewhere in that blog check 2007 somewhere.  You can e-mail Windhorst and ask him about it if you don't feel like searching for it.

Now, you tell me that I should probably watch more games, which may be true.  Maybe I really am a complete idiot because I definitely do not see what any pro-Sasha fans see.  Not in an (ah-hem...) "injury riddled season" and not in a totally healthy one.  He is sloppy, rarely tries, and looks lost out on the court.  Additionally, he is about the slowest human being on earth, apparently.  He can use his length to guard anyone who just wants to shoot threes all day, but he couldn't guard a kindergardener driving to the hoop, which causes him to pick up fouls like crazy.

But hey, apparently I'm a moron who knows nothing about basketball, so just ignore everything I said.  Oh yeah, and I've never, ever, ever, ever played a sport before.  And definitely never on a varsity college team, so I would have no idea at all how injuries affect an athletes' performance.

Something I have noticed is that Sasha Pavlovic does not have one quality. He doesnt have one part of his game that stands out to me, almost like James Posey's 3 shot, or when Eric Snow was a fabulous defender, (Yup those were the days when Eric would shut down Forwards). Sasha does not have one talent on the court that screams, "GIVE ME THE STARTING ROLE". The only reason Gibson his so valuable to the cavs or any team is because of his shooting ability. Get It.

why do people keep trying to pass off the stats Sasha put up of an injury plagued year as what's expected for Sasha over his career?

I really am done trying to argue with people who don't understand what an injury is and what missing camp can do to a person.

if you really think Sasha is as bad as he showed last year, playing on a bad wheel and playing despite missing training camp, I'm going to suggest that you watch more, read more, and post less

Okay, throwing out all of last season...

In Pavs' best season (06-07)... He had 1.52 TO in 22.9 minutes with 1.6 assists.  That's worse than the stats I posted above.  I would also like to point out that in that season, he only averaged 2.4 RPG (CAREER HIGH... AWESOME).  That is absolutely TERRIBLE for a guy who is 6-7, 239 lbs and playing at the two guard spot.  He is very big for a shooting guard, and he should have dominated whoever he played against at that spot.  In fact, Mike Brown even said so this past season when he pulled down eight whole rebounds against Toronto.  He wanted him to focus more on his rebounding since he was getting out rebounded by guys who were way smaller than him.

Additionally, in his triumphant 06-07 season, Pavs got somewhere around 40% of his shots blocked or stolen within a few feet of the basket.  That is ridiculous.  I'm sure you're going to ask for a link to this, so here you go: (http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/cavs/).  It's somewhere in that blog check 2007 somewhere.  You can e-mail Windhorst and ask him about it if you don't feel like searching for it.

Now, you tell me that I should probably watch more games, which may be true.  Maybe I really am a complete idiot because I definitely do not see what any pro-Sasha fans see.  Not in an (ah-hem...) "injury riddled season" and not in a totally healthy one.  He is sloppy, rarely tries, and looks lost out on the court.  Additionally, he is about the slowest human being on earth, apparently.  He can use his length to guard anyone who just wants to shoot threes all day, but he couldn't guard a kindergardener driving to the hoop, which causes him to pick up fouls like crazy.

But hey, apparently I'm a moron who knows nothing about basketball, so just ignore everything I said.  Oh yeah, and I've never, ever, ever, ever played a sport before.  And definitely never on a varsity college team, so I would have no idea at all how injuries affect an athletes' performance.

you played a collegiate sport?  just because you bowled on a varsity bowling team in some d8 college doesn't mean you know about injuries.

and you're bringing in rebounding stats for a 2 guard?  the guard position whose generally guarding the wing players, who covers more players outside the arc than any other position?  Especially on a defense that has good rebounders from the 3-5 position?

You make it seem like Sasha is supposed to go on the floor and outrebound Lebron, Z, Wallace and Varejao.  He's a shooting guard, his job isn't to go in and get rebounds.  generally he'd be a secondary outlet player but on the Cavs, he isn't even used at that because of the way Lebron plays.  When the shot goes up, it's the 2 guards job to get down the floor and set up the fast break or get into the offense.  We're one of the best rebounding teams in the NBA and you're complaining Sasha needs to grab more?  what are you smoking?

And I'd love how you sit there and say Sasha can only guard guys who jack up 3s.  Like I said, short term memory anybody?  dude gave Caron Butler fits against the Wizards before he handled Vince Carter last year.

and you only point out certain stats from pavs 06-07 season?  what about the 45% from the field and 40% from the arc?

the short term memory of fans is sick and depressing