Oct 9, 2008 -- 10:31AM, D-Sev (Kinsey for MVP) wrote:

 

Oct 8, 2008 -- 9:33PM, QuadrupleDouble wrote:

Oct 8, 2008 -- 4:13PM, Fat Computer Nerd wrote:

Oct 8, 2008 -- 4:04PM, D-Sev (Kinsey for MVP) wrote:

I've been saying since the Mo Williams acquisition that our shooting guard just needs to be a good role player. Not like a Vince Carter, but more like a Raja Bell. All our two guard has to do is spread the floor with the three-point threat, and be able to defend the other' team's perimeter stud. A guy like Raja Bell would be great.

 

Yes.

 

Bell is getting old tho, and I don't think Phoenix would get rid of him anyways.

What we need to do, like I said already, is Trade Wally for Larry straight up.  I know people hate him here and stuff, but he would be the ideal 2-guard for our current lineup.

Larry is a good fit for us now, but not a great fit. The problem with him is he still demands the ball and wants to get his and because of this, he will get upset and ruin the team's chemistry. There is only one ball, and I have a feeling that Lebron, Mo, and Z are going to get their touches. That only leaves the 2 and the 4 as outlets for busted plays. The ideal player would be someone like a Bowen. He is going to defend the other team's best player and hit an open shot every once in a while. He's not going to complain about "not getting his." This is very rare for a 2 guard. Larry could work, but he's already killed our team chemistry once. I wouldn't take that chance again if I was Ferry.

Larry would be okay, but we could really use someone who  draws the defense out. Like how the Lakers use Radmanovich, or the Spurs use Bowen. With LeBron and Mo being good slashers, we need to keep the defense from sagging, and if the defense does collapse, we need someone who can knock down an open 3.

how about raja bell. he can hit the 3 (40% last year) and he's a great defender. also he has only 2 years left on his contract (~5mio)

John Hollinger on Sasha Pavlovic:

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2007-08 season: Pavlovic missed 31 games holding out for a big
contract and then immediately began proving he didn't deserve a big
contract; while he was at it he launched a side mission to shatter the
league record for charges. Pavlovic committed 19 offensive fouls, an
awesome total for a player who saw so few touches -- by comparison,
Chris Paul, Brandon Roy and Hedo Turkoglu each had 18.

To say his shot was off would be a dramatic understatement.
Pavlovic slumped to 29.8 percent on 3s and 36.2 percent overall, and
was the worst shooter in the league on non-layup 2-pointers. He
converted just 23.9 percent of his offerings; Pavlovic attempted more
than 200 shots and converted barely a quarter of them.

Worst shooters on non-layup 2-pointers, 2007-08
Player	Team	FG	FGA	Pct.
Sasha Pavlovic	Cle	28	117	23.9
Jason Hart	Uta	31	112	27.7
Josh Smith	Atl	112	388	28.9
Carlos Delfino	Tor	40	132	30.3
Bonzi Wells	Hou-NO	65	214	30.4

The net was a horrendous season in which he posted a 7.28 PER and a
43.4 true shooting percentage, both of which ranked in the bottom five
among small forwards. Though a decent athlete, he also ranked in the
bottom five at his position in rebound rate.

Perhaps the most unsettling part of his season is the realization
that Cleveland may have paid for a fluke year. Pavlovic's 2006-07 stats
seem completely out of line with the rest of his career, in which he
never came close to posting a double-digit player efficiency rating.

Scouting report: Pavlovic plays so much because he's a decent
defensive player. He's big for a wing at 6-7 and relatively quick, plus
he's springy off the floor. He was often used as the primary wing
stopper, and the Cavs gave up 5.1 fewer points per 48 minutes with him
on the court.

Offensively, it's a different story. Pavlovic uses a Heisman
Trophy-style stiff-arm when he drives to the basket and piles up
offensive fouls, and when he's not running somebody over he's putting
the ball out on a platter for it to be rejected. Additionally, he's an
unusually bad dribbler for an NBA wing player and tends to lose the
ball any time he handles in traffic.

Those weaknesses have turned him into a jump shooter, and while he's
hit 3-pointers in past seasons he was way off a year ago. He's also
pretty good in transition, though a horrendous finisher in the half
court.

2008-09 outlook: Pavlovic has two years and nearly $10
million left on his contract, and the hope in Cleveland was that last
year's poor numbers were the result of missing part of the season and
not returning in peak condition.

The Cavs better hope so, as Pavlovic is going to have to play major
minutes, whether as a reserve or a starter, because of the Cavs' poor
depth on the wings. Look for his 3-point percentage to recover, but
otherwise it's hard to get too excited about his prospects -- even in
his 'good' year, he wasn't really that good.

Oct 8, 2008 -- 4:13PM, Fat Computer Nerd wrote:

Oct 8, 2008 -- 4:04PM, D-Sev (Kinsey for MVP) wrote:

I've been saying since the Mo Williams acquisition that our shooting guard just needs to be a good role player. Not like a Vince Carter, but more like a Raja Bell. All our two guard has to do is spread the floor with the three-point threat, and be able to defend the other' team's perimeter stud. A guy like Raja Bell would be great.

 

Yes.

 

Bell is getting old tho, and I don't think Phoenix would get rid of him anyways.

What we need to do, like I said already, is Trade Wally for Larry straight up.  I know people hate him here and stuff, but he would be the ideal 2-guard for our current lineup.

Enough. Our ideal 2-guard is NOT someone who admits he doesn't care about winning. Larry Hughes has no place in Cleveland. Period.

Oct 9, 2008 -- 2:27PM, Fat Computer Nerd wrote:

Blah Blah Blah.  YOu cant tell me we are not missing Larry's D, or that he would not be a close to ideal fit for this lineup at that position.  I am talking scrictly hypothetical, and logistically. Yes he had some attitude problems, and perhaps was not the right fit here based off his personality, but I am speaking strictly based off his skillset, size, and what his stregnths are. I agree that he was not a good fit here because of those other issues tho.

We are missing defense, but not Larry's. There are other on-ball defenders out there who (1) can hit outside shots, (2) can still elevate and finish around the rim, and (3) are dying to win a championship. Larry does none of this and, hence, has no value on this squad.

Oct 9, 2008 -- 2:33PM, Fat Computer Nerd wrote:

Btw, I still think Larry only made those comments because he was a bit salty about being traded.  Nobody in the league does not want to win I have to think.

 

W/E tho, not like we are getting him back anyhow, hehe.

I hear that. However, I think what we still need at the 2 spot is a guard who can knock down open shots from the perimeter more than being able to attack the basket, which was supposedly Larry's forte. So, besides his height advantage and good lateral quickness for staying in front of his man and swiping steals, I don't think Larry was ever really the answer at the 2. That comment about not caring about winning was the last straw, though. And even if he was just annoyed with his position in Cleveland, one cannot be so dumb as to compromise one's worth with statements like that. Now, he'll forever carry a cloud of uncertainty about his commitment around with him. There was never any fire in Larry after he left Washington.